Clearly, God pulled Sarah's senate seat out from under her.

"God" wasn't to keen on her as VP either.

(A win by Al Franken would be number 59.)

I just donated money to Franken's recount cause, making it the first time in my history I have ever donated money to any candidate's campaign.

How much did you donate, Cindy? I want to make sure I can give twice as much to Coleman. The idea of having that buffoon Franken in office just nauseates me.

Dave

Cindy, I can't believe you donated money to a recount!

Personally, my experience with Coleman proved him to be a schmuck (that will be the third time I'm saying this) favoring the rich over the poor, but I do not know much about Franken. To be honest, I do not trust the guy. You gotta ask, "why all of a sudden does a guy from the East Coast run back to his old neighborhood and run for the United States senate?" I did, and found no decent answers. The only one I could come up with was a huge ego, and that seems to be Dave's impression as well.

Franken could have started in the state legislature, either as a senator or a rep. After a few years, he'd have no trouble positioning himself for a coronation as US senator - provided he did well for the voters of St. Louis Park (his old suburban stamping ground).

I looked at Franken's web-site, and also, let me remind you; I was an activist in the Democratic-Farmer-Labor party of Minnesota.

Had I voted in the Minnesota senate race, I would have voted for Barkley, who I know is an honest and decent fellow.

It is good to see Stevens out in the wilderness, but I must confess, I'm torn about the Dem Senators getting their 60 seats. While having the same party running the exec, Sen, & the House could be a good thing if they don't self-destruct, a little bit of restraint couldn't hurt.

On the other hand, things are getting so bad that by the time Obama takes the oath of office, he'll be riding to the Hill in a horse-drawn carriage.

Why in the world would anyone want to be president? Oy.

Curmudgeon-at-Large
In Jameson Veritas

I must confess, I'm torn about the Dem Senators getting their 60 seats.

I'm not. They now have enough of a majority to get most things done, but staying short of the magic 60 will keep them on their toes.

Happily, there's no way Chambliss is not going to win the run-off in Georgia, so that takes care of that. Minnesota, statistically, is a tie, and there really should be a run-off there too. I have no opinion on who would be a better Senator for that state.

In Republican circles, all the talk lately has been about redefining the party or clarifying the message. However you want to look at it, the loss of Stevens is a good thing for the party. Really, I shouldn't even put it in political terms; the country is better off without him in the Senate.

"Ted Stevens' resignation"

Can you resign from a position that you've been voted out of?

ughh Saxby Chambliss, what a creep...

Ruvy,

I want to make sure that the roadblocks that Coleman is throwing up can be overcome.

It strikes me as the most important time to donate. So, we get a fair recount.

I like Franken, I like his politics. I trust him more than your standard dyed in the wool politician. It'd be like having a friend in the senate.

Cindy, why do you hate Chambliss? I'll bet it's because of the ad in which he supposedly questioned Cleland's patriotism and compared him to bin Laden. But check out the actual ad, and tell me whether it crosses the line.

Minnesota elected Jesse Ventura, so Franken will probably win too.

Anybody know what Franken's qualifications are? I mean, besides being a comedian on a third rate TV show?

Come now, Clav. Exactly how many qualifications does one need to represent Minnesota in the Senate?

Ted Stevens, from the halls of power, to an eight-by-eleven barred box, and it's nobody's fault but his own.

I'm starting to incline toward "Let the Democrats have their sixty percent". Seriously-then they can't blame anyone but themselves.

Of course everyone on the right assumes that the Dems will fuck up and open the door as early as 2010 for another conservative revolution in Congress.

You have all underestimated Obama at every turn. Keep it up all you bubbas.

B

Not me. I figure I'll die before the democrats lose power.

#14 No, Baritone, maybe your friends have learned from the past, but I note that the GOP, which should have, didn't learn much either. 1994, 2006, both years one-party government was rejected because it was essentially wrecking the country.

This year, they're instituting it yet again-well, okay. Maybe the Democrats are responsible enough to handle that much power all on their lonesome-when pigs fly unassisted and rivers flow with sweet whiskey at the base of the big-rock-candy-mountain.

If they aren't? I don't give a shit. You get the government you deserve as a people, notably, almost every one of the representatives re-elected this year voted in favour of the Paulson "Plan" to enrich his cronies in wall-street at taxpayer expense, and the guy elected parroted his opponent in selling that shit sandwich to the press. I have zero doubts on what is coming, and my fellow citizens brought it down on all our heads, and I don't care anymore.

Cannon,

Then why do you bother to inject your opinions here?

B

Baronius,

Here is a tiny sample of why I think Saxby Chambliss is a creep.

He doesn't support the interests of either the poor or the middle-class:

He voted for The (Un)Fair Tax Act
Grade of "F" from themiddleclass.org 4 years in a row
Grade of "F" from The Sargent Shriver National Center on Poverty Law

He supports what I call personal "lifestyle" values (marriage, "god", anti-gay agenda) over freedom/civil rights and what I call "real" values (like overcoming child poverty), he's regressive in his ideas on Education adding to the problem:

The Family Research Council rating: 100%
Children's Defense Fund rating: generally 0%
Pro-Choice rating: 0%
Planned Parenthood Rating: 0%
National Right to Control Other People's Body rating: 100%
His concern for immigrants seems to be limited to keeping them out and making sure they speak English (via English as the official language of the U.S.)
Voted for Constitutional Amendment to ban gay marriage.
Voted to ban gay adoptions.
Human Rights campaign rating: 0%
NAACP rating: 11%
ACLU rating: 7%
ASCD (a better educational organization) rating: 0%

I think, I'll stop there. I could go on and on, of course.

Baronius,

I will try to find the ad. I never saw it.

Are you registered to vote in Georgia, Cindy?

Whether or not Chambliss wins is the business of Georgia voters, and ONLY Georgia voters (literally, since no one else can vote for or against him), so what you think of him is, with all due respect, totally irrelevant.

Ditto the Norm Coleman/Al Franken contest.

Baronius,

Okay, I remember the talk about that ad. I finally just saw it. I would lose respect for anyone who would use Bin Laden (et al) a political ad. I think it is a disgusting tactic. Other than that it strikes me as a standard repugnant ad. But not exceptionally so. It's a typical sad, cheap shot.

I'm no fan of Chambliss either, but he happens to be the chap whose election should put a nice healthy brake on the Congressional Democrats.

It's good that the Dems have a majority, but you can have too much of a good thing.

Clav,

Nice of you to decide what is or isn't other people's business!

I will shortly make a post that challenges your rather biased perspective on the economy of Argentina.

As far as what is who's business. You'd best attend to your own comments. Which I shall discredit soon enough.

Dr.D,

I can understand your point. Not that I disagree or agree. I would have to think about it.

But, Chambliss! Egad, I'd wish it was someone else.

Exactly how many qualifications does one need to represent Minnesota in the Senate?

Nice to see that the folks on the coast in the States, no matter which side of the Pond they originate from, have the same contempt for Flyoverland that I used to. Some things haven't changed in the good old US of A.

Look at it this way, DD. If Americans are stupid enough to elect some narcissistic fuck who votes "present" in the senate and jack off with joy all over the place just because he's black (ignoring the fact that he's muscled a few schools and the State of Hawaii to keep mum about him), Minnesotans are entitled to pick someone stupid too.

Sorry, Cindy.

What's going down in Minnestota is this. A fool from the East Coast who knows nothing is trying to buy a senate seat now held by a certified grade "A" schmuck (the fourth time I've pointed that out). If Franken can't slide by with a recout, he'll sue and sue and sue.

Either way, Minnesotans get screwed up the ass - just like all the rest of you were with the presidential election....

You've been had.

Stevens' resignation made a recount unnecessary and also made the GOP not have to kick him to the curb publically. Instead they gave him a warm send off publically, no egg on their faces at all.

Everybody saves face with Stevens' resig, even Palin because she did not have to face the humiliation of a no-confidence vote that would have kept her out of the senate.

Heloise

WASHINGTON, Nov 18, 2008 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA) is resisting a subpoena in a civil case claiming the Speech or Debate Clause of the Constitution bars him from testifying. Lawyers would like to ask Sen. Chambliss about his communications with the Imperial Sugar Corporation and why he tried to dissuade plaintiffs from suing the company following a deadly explosion and fire at a Georgia refinery earlier this year.

Here is some interesting video:

Chambliss apparently took money from Imperial Sugar lobbyists. Harassed the whistleblower at the Senate hearing. Opposed stricter safety standards after 14 people were killed in February at Imperial Sugar.

He also said he doesn't know what a recession is and that no one knows wether we are in a recession (July 2008). Apparently was not aware that Greenspan announced we were in a recession in April. He prefers to say things like: a recession can be so many things, no one knows what it is, I don't know what a recession is. In the meantime, while Chambliss is busy saying there isn't a recession--Georgia lost 88,000 jobs since January.

What a fucking right-wing dweeb. This is typical. All these people run around defending their "religious" political and economic beliefs without knowing what the hell they are talking about.

Nice of you to decide what is or isn't other people's business!

Sorry if you feel offended, Cindy, but the fact is that, unless you vote in Georgia, Chambliss is literally none of your business in the sense that you have no say as to the outcome of the race.

Nor do I.

Like it or not, that's the reality.

It's a shame Minnesota law doesn't allow for it, because there really should be a run-off as there will be in Georgia - minus the guy who came third yet threw a spanner in the works.

The race at the moment is a tie. With 100-odd votes between them, they could recount and sue until kingdom come and get a different winner every time, purely because of human error.

My Web site updated with new photos and videos of Heloise talking about herself, book and being JFK

Here's what I've been doing all weekend. Can't say Heloise is ambitious. It's taken me like two years to upload, look at, edit, and appreciate my efforts for my book "Dinner With Da Vinci" and in light of the anniversary of JFK's death (of the body) there was a huge ball of light seen over Canada at the same time I was engaged in bringing light to a dark world.

People do take their accomplishments with them contrary to the cliche.

While Canada was ablaze I was looking at interview I did with my brother and sister.

They too were Kennedys. And interestingly they both died in plane crashes, both came back a Geminis born one year and one day apart about the same amount of time between their deaths.

I've also posted one to my facebook. But these are under "videos" can't miss it.

Heloise

WE HAVE MORE TO DO:

Democrat Jim Martin is in a runoff against Bush Republican Saxby Chambliss for the Senate seat from Georgia. Bush's Saxby Chambliss voted against spending a few measly dollars to provide health care coverage for Georgia, and Americas needy children. But he supported wasting hundreds of billions of your dollars, and the life BLOOD of Americas finest on an unnecessary war in Iraq.

At a time when 47 million of you have no health insurance coverage, and over 100 million of you with insurance are just one major illness away from complete financial destruction. Bush and Saxby Chambliss voted to make the heart break of bankruptcy relief even harder for all of you to use.

You see, Bush and Saxby Chambliss, and his family don't have to worry about their health care coverage. They have the finest health care coverage your tax money can buy for them. Courtesy of you. The American Tax payer. In fact, no one but the super rich can afford the health care coverage you the tax payer provide for Saxby Chambliss, and his family for FREE! with your tax dollars.

He supposedly works for you. But he doesn't think you and your family should have access to the type of taxpayer supported FREE health care that you provide for him, and his loved ones for FREE!. Doesn't that just make you BURRING MAD!

Vote for JIM MARTIN for US senator from Georgia. Vote for JIM Martin who will be on your side. Vote for JIM MARTIN who will work with President Obama and a majority congress for you. Vote for JIM MARTIN most of all for your-self, your family's, friends, and loved ones. Vote for JIM MARTIN for a better America, and a better World.

Don't let Saxby Chambliss make a chump out of you by tricking you into voting against your own best interest. Saxby chambliss is NOT! on your side. He's not one of you. He is on George Bush's side. And we all know what a catastrophe the Bush Chambliss administration has been the past 8 years.

Contact all your family and friends and do every thing you can to see to it that JIM MARTIN and GEORGIANS! take that senate seat back for Georgia, and America. No matter where you live in America. This is important to you. President Obama will need all the help, and power you can give him to try and fix this catastrophic mess that the Corrupt Bush Chambliss administration has created.

As I said before you will have to vote in overwhelming numbers to overcome the Bush Chambliss "Let Them Eat Cake" vote fraud machine. Vote early if you can. Then help everyone you can get to the polls and vote for JIM MARTIN. You and your loved ones don't have to be Saxby Chambliss's victims anymore.

I know you will get it done. Just like you did for President Obama.

God bless all of you

jacksmith - WORKING CLASS... :-)