Dave, if it weren't for you I never would have heard of Alex Jones. I wonder what else I don't know about, and more importantly, why the New World Order is trying to keep it from me.

Sorry, Baronius. I wish I could have spared you any Jones exposure, but isn't it better to know, no matter how painful?

Dave

Don't worry Baronius the programming has worked very effectively on you, and of course you would be the very last one to know it as evidenced by the fact that other than Dave you had absolutely no idea of who Mr. Jones is. For the record why don't you alexa his site, you just might be surprised at how popular he is in fact.

His alexa rankings make this blog site look uhhh rather puny by comparison. In fact why don't you take your favorite political commentator on the web and see how their alexa rankings stack up against Jones's.

The site is infowars.com in case you didn't know Baronius. The programming isn't really your fault as it started when you were a child, and continues to this day unabated. Wake up and smell the New World Order, as your about to be crushed by it. Have fun! :)

But what if now THEY think I know too much?

why don't you alexa his site, you just might be surprised horrified (and dismayed at the failure of our education system) at how popular he is in fact.

There, I fixed it for you, Pablo.

Dave

Oh, and for the record, Technorati has a much more reliable ranking system than Alexa, and they rank this site somewhat above infowars.com, with a rank of 1069 to 1126. For comparison, top political site Politico has a ranking of 4, Huffington Post has a ranking of 1 and DailyKos has a ranking of 7. We really ought to be ranked higher. Something for us to work on.

Dave

Oh and Baronius?

If you pay close attention to Nalle's rant, you will find that he very craftily in his smarmy smearing way tries to link Jones with the email rant that he does not disclose. Although Jones himself is against the bill, that is not my point.

Nalle attempts to link untruths to Jones and he has done it on this blog site on a a continual basis for months. After all smearing and smarmyness are the tools of his trade and is intended for the conditioned (brainwashed)reader.

I recall another article that Nalle did about Jones months ago where he attempted to link some hysterical hiterlish maniac to Jones in a video, for no other reason than smear, the young bloke was no way connected to Jones, or endorsed by him, all the maniac had to say was that he was a fan, thus the linking.

I have NEVER heard or read Jones endorsing racism, sexism, totalitarianism against any group or individual class of folks. What he does do on a regular basis is rant, sometimes hysterically about the ruling elite that Clavos so lovingly embraces. You know the same ones that are currently fleecing the US Treasury of not 750 billion dollars but more like 7 trillion, and are getting away with it scot free. He talk about stuff like the military industrial complex that Eisenhower so wisely warned us about over 50 years ago, and of how the real people running the US are criminals of the worst order, something which I happen to agree with him about. Oh and one other thing Mr. Jones is for all intents and purposes the father of the 9/11 truth movement, those folks that want a complete independent investigation into the events of 9/11, instead of the kangaroo one run by the CFR minions that was originally supposed to have Dr. Strangelove Kissinger (CFR/Bilderberg/Trilataralist/Pilgrims Society)as its head.

Some people will believe ANYTHING, particularly when fed from above by the ruling criminal elite.

Dave acts as one of their propagandists on a continual basis, being as it is in his blood.

The conditioning is very effective Baronius, and the antidote is hard to come by. Try 1000 micrograms of acid buddy, oops sorry thats not available anymore. Better yet turn off your TV take a deep breath and say OHMMMM for a few years, it just might work! Good luck Baronius cuz your gonna need it, anything I can do to help, well I am here, and believe it or not I am actually a nice fella, and will do what I can to open your mind.

Interesting Nalle instead of using your own words you choose to change mine. How utterly uninspiring and shows the kind of class act you really are. :)

Gettin desperate are we? Sorry your boy lost the election (McCain not Barr), aside from what you may say about having voted for Barr your hundreds of endorsements, and defense of him (McCain)speak for themselves. But not to worry Nalle, both of those twits work for the same guys (Rothschilds, Rockefellers, JP Morgan Chase CFR ruling elite banksters that are at the moment trying their best to tear apart the land of your birth, and doing it quite effectively I might add. I doubt you care however given your Dulles brothers past. Enjoy its your brave new world too Davey. :)

Don't worry Baronius I assure you that they don't think you know too much. Your political critiques speak for themselves.

Pablo, the bankers are trying to tear Lebanon apart? First I heard of it. I thought the Iranians, Syrians and Israelis had that job.

Dave

I guess if I spammed an email and linked it to idiotwars.com (how are your stats doing nalle?) at the bottom of the email then that would be legitimate too eh Nalle?

Kinda reminds me of how you called me a Nazi for linking to a New York Times article that happened to be on a hate site, that I found by googling the subject matter. Link by smear by Dave Nalle. you may fool your ignorant buddies Nalle, but you have never got one by me pal. You like most others of your ilk are your own worst enemy, try decent honest debate sometime you might do better, but I doubt it.

Pablo, that "knowing too much" comment was a reply to Dave's post, not yours. But since I was making fun of your beliefs, it's fair game for you to use it against me.

My system's running very slowly right now. I'll try to reply later.

Nalle #10

Nice try at being cute, but thats your bosom buddy Clavos's job, you suck at it.

Oh and Nalle?

I can just see you now being the kind of guy you are and having access probably to log files trying to access the ip address of the country that I may have ex-patriated to. That's rather petty man, surely you have other things to do with your precious time. Try coming over to the side of light and love, instead of being a minion for darkness and oppression, under the guise of libertarianism, your heart will feel better I swear.

And if you were born in Lebanon its more than likely that your dad was CIA station chief there, or perhaps of a more subordinate class. In either case it speaks for itself. The National Security Act of 1947 was nothing more than the police state apparati asserting itself in legalese, ohhh thats right it was created to protect us from the evil commies that JP Morgan and company created. hehehehe, sure davey.

Nalle #6

Nice try Nalle, technorati's ranking system is for blogs not bonafide websites, which are fundamentally different. You could make a spurious claim that infowars.com is a blog site, however alexa ranks sites as sites, blog or not, and in that context much more accurate.

Pablo,

Were it not for Dave, I'd have never heard of Alex Jones either. But I get the feeling that Dave stuck a needle in someone you admire, and that's what's got you going so.

On the other hand, I don't expect that a whole lot of you have heard of Barry Chamish, where I learned all about the wonders of the CFR and their friends and relations world-wide.

Sorry if I do not seem too concerned about global poverty and the bills that Obama supports or doesn't support. Between Mumbai and Hebron, I have other fish to fry.

Dave, did you provide a link to that bill, BTW?

Eh.

You know what, Pablo? I was going to offer some analysis, but I checked out the infowars site, and now I've got nothing to say. If you want to believe that stuff, there's nothing I can say that will change your mind. It was just so predictable and sort of sad. There's even a section entitled "Ron Paul on the Rise", which says something about their trend-spotting capability.

And as to the Alexa ranking for both sites in question infowars is at 5910 and blogcritics 10,326

Taking into account that blogcritics has a vast array of subject matters from entertainment to politics to technology to music, it comes up rather short in comparison to Jones's site, which only has politics as its subject matter.

Ruvy,

google site:infowars.com barry chamish

20 articles about Mr Chamish who I am very familiar with on Jones site.

Thank you Baronius, you can go back to sleep now, as if you were ever awake. Sad awwww shucks, thanks for the pity, how kind of you. :)

Yes I do choose to believe what I want as you do with all of your republican ilk. I will say this however, most of the others of your ilk, being of the right wing variety are much more overtly hostile than you, which is another way of me saying that I find most of them rather mean-sprited AND ignorant, while I do find you a pleasant sort of fellow and usually even tempered, to your credit I might add. But hey thanks again for the sympathy Baronius. :)

Oh and Baronius as for ill founded beliefs let me give you a few that many in your party subscribe to.

The president can start a war. WRONG

It is ok to overthrow other sovereign nations through subterfuge, guile, murder and torture. WRONG

It is ok to categorize a US citizen as an ememy combatant and detain her/him without criminal indictment. WRONG

It is ok to wiretap american citizens without warrant WRONG

It is ok to create free speech zones in Amerika. WRONG

It is ok to deprive someone of their property by seizure without being convicted of a crime. WRONG

I could go on all fucking day, so if you want to have a discussion on erroneous beliefs Baronius be my guest!

And all of those above beliefs that are so characteristic of YOUR grand ole party Baronius I term tolatitarian, un american, and fascist buddy, how bout you?

Ruvy #17

"Pablo,

Were it not for Dave, I'd have never heard of Alex Jones either. But I get the feeling that Dave stuck a needle in someone you admire, and that's what's got you going so."

Nope thats not it at all Ruvy. What got me going on Nalle is his cheap shots, as in calling me a nazi, which I am not. Then when called out on it he said show me where I said that and I will apologize, which I did, and then he came back and didn't apologize. So when a man insults me publicly as he did, and is not only not man enough to own up to it, then goes back on his public word about apologizing, I will call a spade a spade.

"And as to the Alexa ranking for both sites in question infowars is at 5910 and blogcritics 10,326"

Most days that's true. Today that's not the case -- BC has a higher Alexa rating today than Inforwars, in fact.

Also:

Infowars.com PageRank: 6/10
Blogcritics.org PageRank: 7/10

Clearly Google is part of the conspiracy too.

On top of that, both BC and Inforwars are severely trumped in traffic/Alexa rankings by PerezHilton.com, which must mean that it is the superior website and we should all draw MS Paint captions on celebrity photos to achieve world peace.

Pablo - I just found something on infowars that says that the Global Poverty Act would commit us to Kyoto, gun control, and the ICC. Like I said, my computer's barely functioning today, and I can't load enough of the page to tell if this is an article or a message board entry. So here's a mission for you: read the link and read Dave's article, and tell me which correctly describes the Global Poverty Act.

Oh and for all you 9/11 truth deniers out there below is a fox news clip on 9/11 that is very interesting.

First the Faux news commentator says:
"We are getting word from New York right now that a third building has collapsed, I understand that this is a 47 story building." As she is talking there is a live shot of building 7 in the background. She then goes on to say as the building collapses: "Is that smoke coming from this third collapse (then the building starts to collapse behind her and she says and I quote)"Take a look at that the right hand of the screen, its going down RIGHT NOW" When she says "its going down RIGHT NOW" there is no question that she is referring to the present tense, as you can easily see on this video.

Fox news clip 9/11/01

This coupled with BBC's reporting of building 7 collapsing 30 minutes before it did is only further proof that 9/11 was an inside job, but the media at the highest echelons was complicit and aware of this terrible crime.

Matthew,

I do not recall using the terminology that infowars was a superior site do you? What I did assert and still do is that it is more popular than blogcritics. I am more than capable of speaking for myself please refrain from suggesting something that I did not assert. Thank you.

Also the numbers that I quoted on alexa were also taken from today which clearly shows that infowars.com is the 5910th most popular site on the world wide web, and blog critics is the 10,326th most visited site on the world wide web


"Clearly Google is part of the conspiracy too."

Cheap shot at best Matthew, nice try though. :)

Also Matthew in terms of popularity, given that blogcritics has about 15 completely different categories, and infowars has one that being politics, I assert that because the statistics via alexa are about 2 to 1 in favor of infowars, if you put both of them together in just the political arena its more like 30/1 more popular than this site.

Superior? Hardly, thats like comparing dogs and cats, fundamentally different animals as it were.

"I do not recall using the terminology that infowars was a superior site do you?"

It was your implication. When someone blurts traffic stats in such a context that's almost always they're trying to accomplish.

"the numbers that I quoted on alexa were also taken from today which clearly shows that infowars.com is the 5910th most popular site on the world wide web, and blog critics is the 10,326th most visited site on the world wide web"

Alexa's ranking is based on a three-month period. Since politics was überhuge, this makes sense that Jones's site had a lot of traffic from September-today. Look at other timeslices:

Last week:
IW 6,330
BC 12,772

Yesterday:
IW 15,767
BC 13,109

"blogcritics has about 15 completely different categories"

Nine.

"I assert that because the statistics via alexa are about 2 to 1 in favor of infowars, if you put both of them together in just the political arena its more like 30/1 more popular than this site."

Your math is based on each section having uniform traffic. I don't have access to those numbers. But, sure, yeah, more people read IW than they do BC Politics. If you're trying to refute the dismissal of IW as a crackpot site, just look at what I did with PerezHilton.

Pablo,

I know I say a lot of provocative stuff that some folks think is over the top, but I try very hard to stay away from the personal attacks. All it does is raise your blood pressure to go on and on with personal bickering.

There are some folks (I won't name names) who seem to thrive on that sort of thing, but when I get pissed, it's over an issue, not a personality. A personality is a given. An issue can be discussed.

Look at it this way. You barely ever publish here, and that's where you really run across Dave Nalle and Clavos. That is where they can hurt you, either by gutting your article or holding off on publishing it. They've never done that to me, either of them, so what I'm saying is not an accusation, it's merely an example.

So Nalle called you a nazi. Big fuckin' deal! From the point of view of a commenter, he's no more than pixelated "reality" somewhere in a compound near Austin. If I really thought about it, I probably could say far nastier things about him, things that would really cut. I have a long memory. But it just ain't worth it. So I don't. Life is too fuckin' short for that kind of shit. And as far as Nalle goes, he's done some damned decent things, things that I wished I could have done, but couldn't. He gets high marks for that decency.

So it all cuts both ways.

Anyway, dude, check out those links in comment #17. One of them is a developing story. I had hoped I could stay up to follow it, but I don't have to work tonight, so there is no reason to. I won't be home a good portion of tomorrow so I won't be able to write about it then either.

It's gonna be a bad news day for this country, Pablo. The schmucks at the CFR (this is their gig) really have it in for a whole bunch of decent people. Something very bad is liable to happen here.

Woo Hoo!!

WELCOME back, pablo! SO good to see you back here again, things were getting very staid and boring around here.

It's so nice to have someone livening things up again on these threads!

Matthew,

I was not trying to refute anything of the sort, I was simply saying that the site was more popular than blogcritics, again I am re-asserting that I never said anything or implied anything of the sort that infowars was superior than blogcritics, they cannot be compared in that fashion as I already demonstrated. Yet you continue to assert that was my implication. IT WAS NOT.

An apple is not superior to an orange, they are different creatures. Now if you would like to to compare say Rush Limbaughs site to infowars thats completely different, and I would argue then that infowars is a far superior site.

So no I did not imply anything of the sort, and your reading comprehension skills are clearly lacking as I explained that quite clearly in the last post. IT WAS NOT MY IMPLICATION.

Yes Clavos you give me that warm fuzzy feeling, the same kind of feeling that I get from Homeland Security keeping me all safe from the boogeyman.

You have good instincts, pablo...

Just as long as Clavos doesn't give you the same feeling you get from a TSA cavity search.

Not to worry, Bar. Even if I liked boys, pablo wouldn't be one of 'em...

Yes Clavos you give me that warm fuzzy feeling, the same kind of feeling that I get from Homeland Security keeping me all safe from the boogeyman.

Pablo, I wouldn't think Homeland security would be an issue for you in your squalid new island paradise?

Dave

Ewww get a room already.

Dave,

This article is too reasonable.

Is this the new strategy? Act all indignant about the extremist element in order to gain credibility?

Good article.

Zedd, all my articles are reasonable. They just sometimes appear unreasonable to those who happen not to agree with them. Reality is subjective.

Dave

Hey everybody, look! An actual example of the rare Nalleian sense of humour. Oh how I laughed!

No Dave they don't always add up.

"The ratification of the Kyoto global warming treaty and numerous other anti-American measures."

These loonies will tag anything "American" or "ant-American". What in the world does that mean? There are jerks and really nice people all over this land. What does anti-American mean?

In the context of Kyoto it means that the measures in the treaty unfairly single America out for economic harm.

Dave

Single America out? Are you really that uninformed or is something wrong with you?

You are back.

Indeed, something is wrong with me. I read the Kyoto treaty and it made me realize that its purpose is to hamstring commerce in developed nations while allowing less developed nations to run wild and reap the profits.

Dave

So America is currently running wild and reaping havoc and has done so for centuries more than anyone else and shouldn't be stopped because it makes them money? So there can't be a switch off where those who have been the polluters slow down their activity and start to develop a green economy and let those who haven't been the culprits develop until they get to the point where they will have the infrastructure to create a green economy? Are you saying that everyone should expand their emissions because it's good for the American economy? Is that your "reasoning"?

What part of that is not dumb?

No Zedd, I'm suggesting that countries like China, India and Mexico which have virtually no regulation of pollution ought to be required to bring themselves to a level of pollution control at least somewhat comparable to the United States before we start going after the enormously cleaner industries in the US for their relatively minuscule level of pollution output.

Dave

That makes absolutely no sense. Even in a relationship, that type of reasoning doesn't work.

Nalle,

And what makes you think I am in an island paradise?
Looked in the mirror lately Davey? Spookiness runs in your blood, and I pity you.

Zedd - if climate change alarmists are correct then the earth cannot tolerate the new mega polluters. Agreed, the US and the developed countries as a group have been way over the line for decades (or is that centuries?) but a better treaty needs to be negotiated.

Mark

Clavy #37

Do your really read what you write? If so, take a look in the mirror, cuz you only make yourself look just a weee bit silly guy.

Mark

The U.S. has been the largest culprit. If they are THE major cause, THEY (WE)have to be curtailed. It's just that simple. Does that not make sense.

Yes Zedd it does make sense to me. 'Green' development should be the goal for all polluting industries. This goes for those in the developing countries as well as for our long standing profligates. But, as with Truth Commission, 'pay back' should not be the driving logic of this development.

Mark

You guys aren't up on your pollution stats. China passed the US as the leading producer of pollutants in 2006 and the developing world now counts for 53% of all carbon output, and their output is accelerating rapidly while the developed world is slowly cutting output.

Contrary to Zedd's assumption and that of many who have bought into this anti-US global warming as the hammer of socialism nonsense, the US is far from the major culprit.

The sensible way to assess carbon output is to measure it relative to GDP, because GDP represents contribution to the world economy from the industry which creates that pollution, among other things. On that basis the US ranks low among the major polluters, because it produces so much more wealth than other nations relative to the amount of carbon it produces.

The US produces 1.5 billion tons of carbon with a GDP of $13.8 trillion. China produces 1.8 billion tons of carbon with a GDP of $3.3 trillion. India produces 430 million tons of carbon with a GDP of $1.1 trillion. Russia produces 432 million tons of carbon with a GDP of $1.3 trillion. The EU produces 2.2 billion tons with a GDP of $16.9 trillion. Mexico produces 650 million tons with a GDP of only $1 trillion.

So the top polluter of the big six is clearly Mexico, followed closely by China, and here they are sorted by ratio of carbon tons to GDP:

Mexico .65
China .55
India .4
Russia .33
EU .13
US .11

So, as you can see the US pollutes the least relative to economic productivity, 1/6th as much as Mexico, 1/5th as much as China and a quarter as much as India. Yet Kyoto aims all the restrictions at the US and EU and other developed nations while letting the top polluters get away with anything.

Dave